My mission in these teachings is to reveal truth, not through the eyes of denomination, but through the eyes of the spirit. In this subject, you will need to get your fishing gear & net because we are launching out into the deep. Get your steak knives, A-1[meat]. Also take your reasoning and common sense and put it on the shelf until later. The Bible says in acts 10:15 What God has cleansed don't call it common, this includes common sense. When you are born again you operate above the level of common sense. Common sense is alright if the problem is common, but what happens when the problem isn't common? People who use common sense on an uncommon problem are putting a band-aid on a broken bone. They are straightening up chairs on the titanic. I said all of this to excite you to think higher than you've been thinking because you will need in order to understand this teaching!
The trees of the Garden of Eden were not like the trees in your back yard. Gen 2:29 says that all the trees of the garden you can eat, they shall be meat[provision] for you. I first want you to see that Adam was eating meat, not milk. Heb 5:13-15 talks about someone who is on milk[babe] and someone who is on meat[full maturity]. These fruits were design to give Adam spiritual maturity. These fruits are called the "FRUITS" of the spirit. Now in Gal 5:19-22, it is referred to as " the FRUIT" of the spirit .
Adam was operating at such a high level that he could eat the fruits to the full and never get full. In Gal 5, we have to deal with the flesh, so God made it so, that you have to have all the attributes of the spirit, in order for you to eat just one fruit. There are 2 trees in the midst of the garden, the tree of Life[Jesus], the tree of the knowledge of good and evil the serpent,satan,devil,etc.] The position of these trees were in the "MIDDLE,MIDST" of the garden. This means that they were in a fixed position. This also means that all the other trees were not, they could move around. These trees were angels, So when Adam wanted to eat, the trees[angels] brought him the food. For Adam to go and look for anything, or to even break a sweat searching for food, would fall under the heading of toil & labor, which did not exist until they were kicked out of the garden[ you can go to ezekiel 28-31 and it talks more about these TREES!] Hmmm angels as trees. are you still with me? Lets look into the new testament,
In mark 8:24 Jesus leads a blind man out of town, put spit on his eyes and asked him do u see anything[what do u see]? Jesus didn't ask him IF HE COULD SEE? The blind man said, I see men as "TREES" walking. Now notice that he didn't say" I SEE TREES AS MEN WALKING", he knew the difference, but wait a minute, how would a blind man know what a tree and a man looks like? anyway. He recognized that he was looking at angels. Then Jesus put his hands on him , the blind man saw everything clearly. Notice what just happened? Jesus restored the mans spiritual sight first, then he restored his natural sight. When Adam sinned, his sight went in reverse. He lost spiritual sight[ because he heard the voice of the Lord, but he didn't see it] Next he lost natural sight, so Adam died at 930yrs old, BLIND!
After Adam fell, He made for himself Aprons to cover his nakedness. What were his aprons made of? they were made of fig LEAVES! The first time that leaves are mentioned in the scriptures. Adam got the leaves off of the ground, How do I know that?
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When Adam and his wife fell, the whole earth began to age, before the fall there was no such thing as time. Now since the earth is aging, it starts to rotate on its axis, now you have the first sunrise and sunset! The ground and trees began to age, when a tree ages, the leaves turn brown and "FALL" to the ground. We have a season named after this terrible event, THE FALL. It was not just the fall of the leaves ,it was the fall of man. Now the Garden of Eden is inside of us[eccl 3:11][1st Cor 3:9][husbandry means garden]. Now those trees or influences are still inside of us.
You have the tree of life[Jesus,Holy Ghost] and you have your old flesh carnal nature[the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, or put simply "KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT CHRIST"! Jesus said in Mat 3:10 the ax is laid to the root of every tree. This doesn't mean that Jesus is going to take an iron ax and chop you up, it means that the ax[the word] will uproot anything on the inside of you that God didn't plant there. It will uproot poverty,sickness,disease,hatred,varience,strife,sedition,backbiting,lust,late for work all the time,cheating on the income tax, taking your christmas wrappings and illegally dumping them in somone elses dumpster, taking office supplies from work without paying for them, gluttony! all these things are spiritual trees that must be dealt with. I will next deal the the fig tree that Jesus cursed in part 2 of the "Trees of the garden"
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I have a question regarding this. You said that there was no such thing as time before the fall. The Bible seems pretty clear, and even more so in the Hebrew that the 'evening and morning were the first day', and that God created the two great lights (sun and moon) to rule over the day and night. The sun and moon were created for signs, seasons, days, and years. So, I just don't understand where you're coming from to say that there was no time. It looks like the Bible says there was time before the fall.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your position on this? Thanks!
the evening and the morning was indeed the first day. Notice that God said the first day and not the first night. Notice also that He didn't make the greater light[sun] and lessor light[moon] until the forth day. How can you tell the difference between the evening and the morning without the sun and the moon? When Moses wrote this, he couldn't understand how to write this outside of time, so he used days to get a better picture of this. Exodus 33:19 God show moses His " hinderparts", that is the past,this is when God showed him how he made evertything. Contemporary christians use this term" were going to another level". What we call another level, God calls that next day. I hope this sheds some "LIGHT" on the subject. you may e-mail me if I need to go deeper into this subject, it might be in my next few blogs, we'll see Chuckvlewis@yahoo.com
ReplyDeleteBut, darkness was already present before God made light...He knew the difference before the sun and moon were created. Man was not created until the 6th day. It says in v. 5 that he called the light day and the darkness night, so both were already present before the creating of the sun and moon. When we talk about a day, we often mean a 24 hour period that includes day and night, so it doesn't seem inappropriate that that he would say 'day', and not 'day' and 'night'.
ReplyDeleteLet's just say I've had some bad experiences in the past, and I question everything now. LOL
no problem with that. I want you to think about this. the light that He was talking about in Genesis chptr 1 was not like the light that you turn on in a room. Light is knowledge, and darkness is ignorance. In john chapter 1 said the the light shined in the darkness and darkness could'nt comprehend it, why? because it didn't have knowledge of it.
ReplyDeletewhen I talk about this subject, most people at first can't accept it, that is because they were never taught it. How old was Adam b4 the fall? however after the fall he live 930 yrs. Time did not start until after the fall. When Adam sinned, everything here got cursed. Adam began to age, so did eve[ evening] also the earth and the trees. Now when a tree ages each season, the leaves change colors and eventually FALL. we even have a season named after Adams transgression, The Fall, it was not just the fall of the leaves, it was the fall of man. The earth rotating on its axis is a product of time. When Adam fell, theearth began to turn for the first time. He then changed the name of his wife to EVE, WHY? He had heard of evening but had never seen it b4. They had never seen a sunset until they transgressed. The voice of the Lord came walking inthe "COOL" of the day. this was to imply that there was an immediate temperature change. Adam hid himself amongst the trees of the garden, why, he was naked and he hid himself, here is the other reason, for the first time, he needed SHADE!
You said most people cannot accept this at first. Do you mind if I ask where you heard it? It does seem foreign. The Bible doesn't speak of how old Adam was before the fall. It just says his lifespan was 930 years. And Genesis also says that Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all living. When I looked that up in the concordance that's what it means - 'life' or 'living'. And light does actually mean 'light' when I look up the definition in Bible study materials.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to be argumentative at all. I just get very nervous when I see the word 'imply' a lot. To say the Bible implies certain things can be argued depending on the person's opinion. I promised myself some time ago that I would check out whatever I'm being taught. That's why I have to ask lots of questions when I don't understand where someone is coming from.
I was also wondering if you believe in a literal 6 day creation. I do, and I was wondering if that's why I may not understand.
im glad you responded to this. in genesis 3 she is called eve and yes that is the definition, but ask yourself this question, how could she be the mother of all living when adam and the animals came b4 her, Adam named her that, but he was now functioning in a fallen state wherby he started naming things wrong. God never called her Eve. In GEnesis 5:1 God called [THEIR] name adam. her name was his. this means that they wer one. even in names. I understand that the timeless reality is something that seems foreign, i've been thinking about your comments, i will teach this issue in my next blog and show you through the scripture, this amazing truth, that we can operate outside of time. that the garden of Eden b4 the fall was truly a timeless reality. Think about this, Adam was made in the image of God, If Adam was only 930 then that mean God be 930 or some definate age, because adam was made to mirror Him.
ReplyDeleteIn that definition of living, it also means 'to teach, be an example to'. Eve would be the teacher of those coming after her, and an example to those already there.
ReplyDeleteMany scholars say that when God created Adam (one name), that physical body contained the organs of both male and female. It's been said that in creating Eve, God removed the female parts, and built her body around them. It's been said that 'rib' is a euphemism for the female reproductive parts. Since she was then in a seperate body from the male, Adam would then have freedom to name her.
Adam was made in the image of God, but the Bible seems very clear that God has no age. He has just always been. And, even though Adam was made to mirror God, doesn't that mean that as God is in 3 parts (father, son, holy spirit), so are we (spirit, soul, body)?
I'm still interested to know what your thoughts are on creation. Do you feel it's a literal 6 days, or something else?
Oh, and I was wondering what you had to say about the fig tree. I thought that was going to be part of the trees teaching, but I didn't see it in part 2. Maybe I need to read again?
thank you for the response. can you show me in the scriptures where God called her Eve? Im aware the definition of eve. Here is my thought, Adam was not finished naming everything, my question to you is if God called them both adam[gen 5:1] that Why did adam change her name to eve? You'll also find that she is the only woman up until Sarai that has her own name, separate from her husband. I'll go into that in a later blog. I welcome your comments.
ReplyDeleteI will talk about the 6 day literal creation a little later. i just back to town. I do believe in that. But just a little thought . the words yesterday, tommorrow and next week are not mentioned in the creation process. God made the sun and the moon on the 4th day, so how can you tell the difference between the evening and the morning without the sun and the moon? The 1st day was the 2nd, and that was the 3rd and that was the 4th and that was the 5th and that was the 6th and finally the 7th day. notice that the scripture doesn't say, "AND THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WAS THE 7TH DAY, why? i'll get into it at a later date
ReplyDeleteI would just like to say that I enjoy your comments. i also want to say that the purpose of these blogs is to enlighten, educate, and edify. i will encourage you to study for yourself. II tim 2:15 if you have any questions and want an immedtiate answer my e-mail is Chuckvlewis@yahoo.com. GOd Bless
ReplyDeleteThat's the problem I'm having, I guess. I am studying for myself, but I'm just not able to reach the same conclusions you are. I suppose that's why I just can't seem to take hold of it. I enjoy the exchange of ideas myself, so I'm glad you enjoy my comments.
ReplyDeleteI already answered the question about the sun and the moon earlier. Man was not created until the 6th day. He didn't need to know the difference in light and darkness until he was created. God knew the difference, and He knew when evening and morning were. The sun and moon were created before man, so man would know the difference. I see clearly that time was already established by the time man was created...first by the fact that evening and morning make a day (that's a 24 hour day). Then, by the fact that He created the sun and moon to establish seasons and years. I don't understand, if you believe in a literal 6-day creation, how you believe time was not established until the fall. By the time the 7th day came, it was well established that evening and morning made a day. So, even though it didn't say evening and morning, based on prior text, we can see that's what a 'day' means.
I don't really see what you mean about the 1st day being the 2nd, etc. The Bible focuses on each day of creation, and gives us times to go with them. It was not focusing on 'yesterday' or 'next week', so what would be the need of using those terms? If there was a literal 6 day creation, then it was literally 6 days, not one day repeated 6 times. I'm sorry, that one confused me. lol This is why the Jews celebrate a sabbath every week on Saturday, the 7th day. It is to remember creation, and the day God rested.
As far as Eve's name, I agree that God did not name her. Genesis 5:1 cross references to Genesis 1:27. This is where God named the person He created Adam. At that point, there was no seperate female body...all was inside Adam. Chapter 2 goes into more detail, that when God took the 'rib' and created the female, Adam then looked at her and named her.
To go along with that, many words that appear in the English text were not in the text of the original language. Words had to be added to make it understandable in English. 'Them' is one of those words. The original text says God created male and female. It doesn't say He created 'them'. Male and female were originally in the body of Adam, and God gave 'them' the name Adam. God then seperated the female to make the woman, who Adam named Eve.
Your comment about no woman having a seperate name until Sarai is false. In Genesis 4:19, it tells us Lamech took 2 wives, and gives their names as Adah and Zillah. Just because the Bible doesn't usually mention the names of the women, doesn't mean they didn't have a name of their own. What about when they were growing up, before marriage? I don't believe their parents called them 'hey you'. To those people, name meant everything. What you named a child is what they would become. So, the girls couldn't have gone without names until their marriage.
I'm looking forward to the next blog.
thank you for the comment. In the beginning there were no last names. so when A woman married a man, she took on his name. when you were saved you still kept your old name, whatever that name is, But you are not a Christian, Jesus name folk etc. I 'm aware that a woman has a name indiginous of her husband. Follow Adam and His wife and ask yourself, who died first, Follow Abraham and sarai, who died first. people dont usually associate spouses dying separate from their mates, having anything to do with their names. Maybe not today, but definately in the bible. read about Abraham and sarai when they were on the plains of mamre, she begain to take on her identity and eventuall died before Abraham.
ReplyDeleteture that lamach had 2 wives, is this right or is this evil according to the day? I would rather not use lamach as an example because he is functioning in a fallen nature. Lets use an example of someone who we can properly pattern ourselves after, Abraham, THE FATHER OF OUR FAITH.
I will continue with the issue of having rulership over time, when I have some more[ TIME] hahahahah
ReplyDeleteYou're right that having 2 wives is not the Godly way. And Lamech may not be the best example, but he is an example that women had names seperate from their husband. But there is another example further on. Another of the 'fathers of our faith' that we pattern our lives after, Jacob, had 2 wives. And, not only that, the one chosen of God to save Israel (Joseph) came through the second wife, not the first. So, even though it's not a proper thing in God's eyes now, it did happen then, both among the Godly and ungodly.
ReplyDeletethank u faith K for your response. I can see that you have studied these things out. I can always respect a person who studies the word for themselves instead of taking a preachers word for it. Jacob indeed had two wives, and yes the joseph came through the 2nd wife. In galatians 3:13-14 it talks about the blessing of Abraham, not the blessing of Jacob, so I wanted to point out that Abraham life of faith is the best example to follow.
ReplyDeleteThe issue of the names, I want to go back and show you what I mean in terms of marriage, in brief form, I will do a blog later on this issue of the names. A woman does have her name at birth. When a woman married a man in those days, it was only proper that she take on his name. This was not to belittle her nor to be boss over her. It is so that she'll have an inheritance, because she took on the name. This is what happens when we get baptized in water, in the NAME of Jesus Christ. This lines us up with the same blessings that the natural branch receives[jews]. Now we are in a different era, Men have last names. My wife took on my last name when we were married. It is to infer that she]ll be a JOINT HEIR of everything I've got, because she took on my name. You can see the biblical parallel to this. Lamach had 2 wives, true. it is not recorded when his wives died.
Isn't it interesting that the only one in all that generation that walked with God was Enoch. In todays society, If a man has been married to a woman for many yrs, when one spous goes, the other will follow a few weeks later, why do you think that is? they are one, One name, one body, one mind,they are one. It was never Gods' intention that a spoue die, and the other is left grieving. You see place in the bible that show that a man did die separate from their spouse, but the plan of God is they both go at the same time. In the garden there was no death, so Adam and his wife were to live together forever. There really is no such thing as "until death do us part". That is the worlds thinking and not GODS'. Jesus is not in the business of taking spouses, it is our confession that allowed them to be taken. I know that is hard on some people who loss their spouses and is reading this response. Hosea 4:6, my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge. When you respnod to these blogs, put your questions in a 1.2.3 etc form so that I may answer them thoroughly.
1. Ok, I'll use Abraham then. The point I'm trying to make here is that just because something is evil, doesn't mean Godly people didn't do it then. You said not to use Lamech, because he wasn't a Godly example like Abraham. Or even Jacob, because the covenant was with Abraham. So, let's talk about Abraham. Even Abraham had his shortcomings, and sin like we do today. Abraham had an extramarital relationship that brought Ishmael along. This was in direct disobedience to the promise God made. He wasn't modeling faith here. Yes, Sarah told him to do it. But, if he was so full of faith, he could have said no, believing God was going to honor his promise. Just as Adam had the ability to say no in the garden. But, he didn't.
ReplyDeleteHe asked his own wife to lie about their relationship to save his life. So, even though Abraham is in general a good life to pattern after, he wasn't perfect, and we can't pattern everything he did. Or at least we shouldn't.
2. I still can't find your point about women's names anywhere in the Bible. I'd like to see exactly where you got this from. I just don't see any scripture reference to prove it. I see where you're coming from as far as women being 'joint heir' with the husband. But, I don't see where the Bible makes comment on the name thing. Rebekah was still called Rebekah after she married Isaac.
In fact, Sarah is what God called her at the point he made the covenant with Abraham (Gen 17). Both of them got their names changed. If it was God's original intention for them both to have the same name, then why did he name her Sarah instead of Abraham? Abraham was also a new name that was God given. So, since God was doing the naming, and gave them seperate names, was he naming things wrong? I just can't see that would be so.
Gotta go. I have some studying to do before church this morning. God bless.
OK, I just have to say one more thing. I was incorrect. After studying a bit more, I realized Abram (Abraham) did not have an extramarital relationship with Hagar. She became his wife (Genesis 16:3). So, now Abraham also had multiple wives. So, the first father of our faith isn't any different in that area than Jacob or Lamech.
ReplyDeleteinteresting comment, I went back and looked at gen 16:3, she is referred as abrams wife, not abrahams wife, same man different mindset. after this she[hagar] is only referred to as "Hagar the Egyptian, Sarahs' handmaid", she is no longer called Abrams wife.
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